The eagle in front is the type of the Weimar era and was in use from 1919 - 1939. K.W.K. Although, common to both cut-back Artillery holsters featured herein, as originally made, was the inability to close the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap over a fully inserted Police cleaning rod without modifications, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud on the subject example 1 unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location to the example 2, 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap. or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. Inter-war Commercial Lugers (both rework and new manufacture); all Police models (both rework and new manufacture); and all Dutch and Finnish Lugers are of particular interest. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. Over all good condition. In the manual is pictured the P.08 Luger on pages 17 and 26. The TBLAP kit was made for rifles and pistols, whereas the subject kit was specifically made for pistols as indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. locking the two-piece assembly in place. There are at least two examples, as of this writing of a cut-back artillery Luger holster, where there is no doubt that a multiple conversion was done for, and specifically assigned to, and marked by the German Police. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.G. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- (Bavarian) State Police. section slot then, 2) inserting it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008. fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. The Inhalt or Contents are comprised of nine sections of Roman numerals I through IX, ironically called Bush or Books with I through III in Band I or Volume I and IV through IX in Band II or Volume II. links[3]='http://www.marnamilitaria.com'; Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. var links=new Array() The American, British and French allies in concert with Germany restructured the western Berlin Police to reflect the western democracies as illustrated by the then leader of the free world; another picture. The bayonets are interesting, as most were produced during the 1920s during the Weimar period. Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the S.Al.II 1. During the Weimar Era, German police power remained decentralized. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $150 . Used by Police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. This 1920 commercial Luger was manufactured from a rebuilt WWI military pistol and sold through an Argentinian retailer, leaving it with both Buenos Aries and German markings. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . jeb111. The two-piece assembly can also be an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. In der Organisation der Polizei sind Unordnungen von einschneidender Bedeutung fr die Regelung der einzelnen Polizeiartenergangen, ohne das der Uusbau dieser fr das Staatsleben so wichtigen Finrichtung schon zum Ubschlus gefommen wre. Diese Frwgungen mssen die Grundlage fr die Uusbildung des Polizeibeamten bilden. Ulle these re-regulations have been scrutinized when processing the second application and have made extensive changes necessary in some sections. Reportedly next to the remaining lot of 2,760 of these readied blank toggle pistols also a small quantity of unmarked toggles came from Berlin to Oberndorf. This example is a very rare 1943 dated military contract piece in 9mm, one of just 300 produced that year. It is the Eagle/Mg10 stamping that requires explanation. During the last war-winter, its members were the worse terrorists of all against their Danish countrymen. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '39 Mauser Police Banner that was ordered from Mauser for the Police use. The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols book publications picture and describe cut-back artillery Luger holsters as specifically modified for police Luger carry, there are no Luger book published, period pictures of German Police with a cut-back artillery Luger holster, nor with any standard, non-police P.08 type Luger holster. August Weiss states further that the 'Riff' lot was produced by DWM late 1927 - early 1928. The military character and Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. The missing upper left corner of the left grip is part of the mag safety modification. view 2 and - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s or possibly early 1930s by removing the angled buckle and strap closure, converting to the police type closure by adding a pull-up strap to the holster body and adding a steel stud[4] and leather keeper strip to the cover flap. German: Foreign Mfg. To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. There is no Police tool in the holster. I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. Item Information. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) According to the Standard Catalog of Luger by Davis the meaning of this marking is unknown. Caliber 7.65mm - 4.75" barrel. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set, both signed by the original owner. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. RIA has no less than 19 rare Krieghoff Lugers including commercial and Luftwaffe military contract guns. In the TBLAP, Fig. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. The first set of letters on the line indicate the military or police unit "The Flag does not fly because of the wind that blows it. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. Pictured is an unknown maker German Police -techn. Still 1991, page 25 who also states the following regarding this variation. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and . Im ubrigen hat aber das Bestreben vorgeherrscht, den Iert und Uusbau des Buches mglicht in seiner bisherigen Form zu warhen. Has been dyed black long ago. The last numbers on the line indicate the item number of the item that was It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Hardback with dust cover. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. Many of its members (for example If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. Collectors tend to err toward a variation 2 style ERMA made and marked muzzle protector that is, interestingly a different mechanical design than the above, variation 1 spring tension muzzle protector that attaches to the barrel with a one-step process by sliding, then rotating clockwise, over the barrel sight band/blade assembly, then released in detent, held in place by spring tension. 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. This holster is seldom found and is considered very desirable by collectors. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. links[8]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; This set of two is consecutively numbered. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! (A fairly common occurrence.) WaA107 Schnellpressenfabrik Heidelberg 1939 a.k.a. Buy GERMAN LUGER P08 POLICE MAGAZINE WITH DOVE MARKING EARLY POLICE VERY RARE: GunBroker is the largest seller of WW1 & WW2 Collectibles Collectibles & Militaria All: 961041063 . 3. The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. An identical pistol variation is aptly described, very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. Geit dem Frscheinen der ersten Uuslage im Febraur d. Zs.