Ill have to find out if my shotgun will accept a choke to tighten up the pattern as none of us can afford new guns. I have owned several and none would keep the pellets on a 12x20" target past about 20 yards or so. From a distance of about 8 feet, the double-barreled shotgun blows pie-pan-sized holes through the wall, cutting down his adversary. In apartments and houses one must always be concerned with over penetrationwho is on the other side of the wall. The best was with a plain Jane improve cylinder and Federal Flight control wad 00 buckshot. (Again this pattern with with the 18.5" Benelli with the IC choke) Attached File You have more pellets, but less energy per pellet. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. Easily. I was discouraged by the results, which prompted me to head back out and pattern test both shotguns with a small variety of ammo on hand.----- I used two guns for testing. He has earned black belts in four martial arts and is a certified Krav Maga instructor. A small increase in effective range will occur in hot climates and a moderate decrease in range will occur in extreme cold climates. The soft lead deforms, causing less uniformity and spacing out the shot in the pattern. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. Tungsten Super Shot (TSS) has mostly been a good thing for turkey hunting. If you need proof, Brass Fetcher tested buckshot against ballistic gelatin at 50 yards and then managed to chronograph it at 50 yards (no small feat). Its not very big. There are the penetration guys and the full pattern guys. At this point, you and I are both shotgun nerds. Deformed #4 buckshot is not acceptable for self-defense at any range, Penetration differences between shot sizes begins to become less significant with spherical #1 buckshot, Heavier buckshot has an increased ability to penetrate because of a large increase in mass with an accompanying small increase in surface area. If I were interested in animal control or something like that, would I take a shot at 50 on something? [Part 1]. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_10',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');Buckshot is a close-range option. JOHN: So, still potentially lethal absolutely. With spherical shotgun pellets, the only way to increase sectional density is to increase the pellet size. Brass Fetcher 28.3K subscribers 141K views 9 years ago Ballistic gelatin test results of Buckshot at 50 yards distance. One issue is that no one uses a full choke on a defensive shotgun, IC is the tightest that is practical for defensive use. The maximum effective range of buckshot is 50 yards. This one was at 5 yards and the spread was about 5 to 6 inches. The number of pellets in each shell will vary depending on the size of the shot and the length of the shell. 12 and 20 gauge hollow point slugs Slug pros: Lethal at longer distances: Buckshot is ideal for shots inside 25 yards, 50 at a stretch with appropriate shot+choke+shooter combo. Given that the analysis done for this report focuses on the lethality/hit probability of the individual shot pellet in the shot cloud, it was necessary to determine how suitably the single-launched buckshot represents the terminal performance of each individual shot pellet expelled from a shotshell. Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. Neither pattern was exceptionally tight. Plenty of shells shoot farther now. Most buckshot loads vary in velocity between 1,100 and 1,600 fps. Regular reader Jim in NC recently suggested I write more about buckshot, adding that I should not dismiss buckshot deer hunters as a bunch of knuckle dragging rednecks who should be shooting driven pheasants with Holland and Hollands. Hardly. When I pattern with a MOD choke it will open it up to 10"-12" patterns with vertical stringing. In my experience patterning buckshot, premium loads pattern better and, not surprisingly, 12 and 15 pellet loads of 00 buck put more hits on the target than does a 9-pellet load. Times have changed since then.3. Please be respectful of others. This was to ensure that all shot pellets struck the paper and could be accounted for in the further range calculation. Of course, do you want to use a shotgun beyond 25 yards? The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Pretty much 100 percent of the pattern will be on the deer. Each ball is delivering about the equivalent of a .36 C&B revolver. At 25 yards, figure a decent barrel will "pattern" around 30" which is larger than the average human. Check out the video above. I have personally never had any animal take a step after being hit, but I will say it . Recoil can also be increase with velocity. In a Mossberg 590A1 CYL, I have seen consistent patterns of less than 6". The 40 group looked about the same. By At our distances this would mean: From the onset, lets put this standard into perspective. Tighter chokes will allow for greater hit probability at distance but will likely increase drag by deforming the pellets - reducing penetration of target. When hunting land animals with spreading shot, the only choke in existence for the task is full choke. We loaded up with Federal 12-gauge 2 3/4-inch magnum 00 Buck with a muzzle velocity of 1,290 feet-per-second and Winchester 2 3/4-inch high-velocity steel BB shot with a muzzle velocity of 1,550. You must aim more precisely and make better shots with tighter patterns. The round ball isn't very aerodynamic. Just $1 per month . This is a little thing we like to call Stuff John and Chris Wanna Know. So John, tell us, what do we want to know today? I specifically chose the companys Federal Premium Maximum load with nine pellets of 00 buckshot. The load that is a sure killer at 40 yards may be a crippler at 50. At about 20 yards it will put them all in about 6", at 25 yards, 6-10", and past that the Remington 000 outperforms it. if you are shooting a good patterning, full power load of 12 gauge 00 or 000 buckshot, 50 yards is about the max. Most experts agree that reduced-power 00 buck shells in 12 gauge are the best overall choice for home defense. Is the slight gain worth the loss of that extra, potentially lethal pellet? It does not store any personal data. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Posts: 1,327. Those nine .33-caliber pellets can have serious impact on a human target, and that effectiveness only improves from 75 feet and in. I have no experience with extended chokes or chokes with longer taper, but then I have not found the need yet. They claim that it is an appropriate choice for shooting through thick brush at an animal. 10" @ 10 yards, 25" @ 25 yards, 50" @ 50 yards. #1 buckshot is likely the optimal load for self-defense with a shotgun. The combination of penetration and effect favors #00 and this is the load that has seen the most development for personal defense. I wouldnt have an issue with Hornadys loads. 12-Gauge Gunfight: How to Win With Your Favorite Tactical Shotgun. I know Mossberg's are usually HUGE, and Vang's barrels have a very gentle constriction, so they are a different animal all togather. Incidentally, as often happens with buckshot, one of the nine pellets seemed to miss the big piece of cardboard I was shooting at entirely. Or how about Open Range, the 2003 movie starring Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall? The brain of a deer is about the size of one of those little half-sized oranges. GENERALY no one should need a very long shot inside their home or apartment. Then there is the lung shot. I would like to point out that you can get #2 buck in 20 ga, but only in 3 magnums, if that is of interest to you. The following picture is a shot from the 1897 with 30" full choke barrel at 50 yards. Buckshot pellets must be copper-plated or made of high antimony lead and feature an effective wadding system in order to be considered to fall into the performance category of spherical buckshot. The vast majority of police shootings are close-in affairs. Outside holes are the same load at 75ft. If the Flite Control is not giving you the performance that you desire, try loosening up the amount of choke that you are using. Its also fairly inexpensive. For Coyotes I personally would use a .223, but if you have to use a shotgun to 75 yards, I'd go with Hornady 3" Heavy Coyote: Hornady Heavy Mag Coyote Ammo 12 Ga 3 00 Buckshot Nickel - MPN: 86224. Stuff You Should Know About Buckshot [Part 1], More Stuff You Should Know About Buckshot [Part 2], The Backyard Sniper Lightweight Edition, Why Wont the Ruger Mini-14 Just Die? It will work, but you better keep shots close. A 20 gauge . Sometimes, what seems like good advice at the time is proven later to be not so great. No, shotguns arent alley-sweepers or trench brooms. Inside 25 yards, you can put accurate fire on a suspect with an average spread of about 10 inches. The pattern generally opens up pretty quickly. choke instead of IC. We need to mention we were using your [Mossberg 590 with a] Vang Comp barrel thats optimized for FliteControl. The buffered, extra-hard buckshot is contained within a two-piece wad with full-length cuts made to the shotcup. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Close patterns and solid hits are ideal, the spread is nice, but a good central hit with a tight group brings out the true effectiveness of the round. The #1 was starting to fail the FBI test it was starting to be underneath the 12-inch penetration. I load my own buckshot with www.ballisticproducts.com products. The more pellets, the greater chance of a killing shot. As always, some barrels are happier with certain loads. Another common type of buckshot is #0 buck. I know that [#00 buckshot] penetrates a little more at 10 feet in the standard test, and for us, we verified that. The two different theories are quite different, and to be honest, both take deer every year. What often happens with buckshot, strangely, is that two pellets will fly through the same hole. DaveC wrote:With a typical cylinder bore the buckshot pattern is going to be too wide at 30 yards, let alone 50 yards, no? They all had at least one pellet in the spine as well as several in the lungs, so every deer went down on the spot. Deformed #4 buckshot was excluded from the testing due to its inability to meet the gelatin penetration criteria at muzzle velocity. This sphere must penetrate a minimum of 2.95 inches (75mm) but no more than 3.74 inches (95mm)". The buckshot is pure lead, and it's cheaper than most of the other options out there. All ballistic gelatin blocks (Figure 7) used in this evaluation were nominal 10% ballistic gelatin blocks calibrated in accordance with FBI RFP-OSCU-DSU1401 as follows (FBI RFP-OSCU-DSU1401, page 95, 2014): "Prior to the utilization of any block of gelatin, validation of the block will be tested to assure consistency of the gelatin mixture.